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Wielerseizoen 2018

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buzz schreef: 29 mar 2018 12:01 Volgens mij was het vooral een fout van de seingever, die niet achter het paaltje stond maar ernaast...
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LOL, ja vast. De man - gestoken in een veiligheidsjas - staat voor het paaltje met een enorme vlag te zwaaien. Van Aert zat gewoon te slapen.
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Gebruikersavatar amclassic-fan 29 mar 2018 12:19

Van Aert zat daarnaast helemaal op de kant van de weg, waarschijnlijk met als doel om wat op te schuiven. Duidelijk gevalletje dat de renners iets naar links moesten, gewoon gevaarlijk als ze tussen die palen door gaan rijden (wat renner van Katusha wel doet).

Maar goed niets nieuws onder de zon dat de jury alles maar accepteert tot het een keer volledig mis gaat. Sprint van Demare afgelopen zondag ging ook nergens over, rechts van de weg door een gat duiken wat er eigenlijk niet is en als je ziet dat je niet kan winnen links van de weg nog iemand het hek in duwen. Was alles behalve in een rechte lijn sprinten (wat Sagan en Viviani in dit geval wel deden), zonder dat er enige aanleiding voor was.
‘Whatever you do, those other fuckers are doing more.’
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Gebruikersavatar buzz 29 mar 2018 12:35

Seingevers zouden te allen tijde niet vóór maar achter een verkeersobject moeten gaan staan, sowieso al voor hun eigen veiligheid. In dit geval stond de man er evenwel naast. Anders had Van Aert over die smalle asfaltstrook de betreffende seingever en de paaltjes nog ‘vrijelijk’ kunnen passeren. En ja, uiteraard was het van Van Aert niet zo handig om die smalle asfaltstrook op te zoeken.

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japiecarbon 29 mar 2018 12:43

Al had hij erachter gestaan en van Aart reed op de paaltjes dan had iedereen commentaar dat hij ervoor had moeten staan.....

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Gebruikersavatar buzz 29 mar 2018 12:46

Als de seingever ervoor of erachter had gestaan, had Van Aert er gewoon langs kunnen rijden, tussen de berm en de seingever (en het eerste paaltje).

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Kiekeboe schreef: 29 mar 2018 07:38
timo2.0 schreef: 28 mar 2018 18:20 Ibarguren is duidelijk weer de te kloppen man dit voorjaar :winkthumb:
wat "gebruiken-krijgen" die renners dan van QST?
Voor wie er de tijd voor wil nemen:

It was in ‘99 that Dr. Ibarguren first came to public attention. A year after the Festina scandal, where Willy Voet was stopped by the police in a Festina car found to contain various doping products, including erythropoietin, amphetamines, and growth hormone. Amongst the fallout were allegations from Voet that Taus was doping his riders on the Lotto team. Voet appeared on Belgium TV and said, “Once I needed EPO and so I asked the masseuse at Lotto. He spoke to the Spanish medical team and within 24 hours I had .” Taus responded, “Voet is a liar. He is desperate, trying to say that everything is equal and dropping people in it.”

His car was searched at Midi Libre, but again he was equally defensive: “Even products for diarrhea or sore throat… I keep receipts for.” He claims that not every doctor in the sport is ethical, ”In every herd there is a black sheep, but it is wrong to judge everyone with the same brush. Many drugs are dangerous for the liver when taken orally and yet alarm bells ring when a needle is seen. A diabetic who himself arranged to inject is still not an addict? Each team has their own measuring devices along for blood tests and when you see blood outside certain parameters you investigate. No, it is not easy work, but you take that away from you because you are so dearly love this sport.”

The Tour of that year was a tense affair following the previous year’s scandal. On the day of the prologue, 180 riders had their hematocrit tested. Ten days later before stage 10 in Sestrière, another 51 riders from ten teams (Mapei, Banesto, ONCE, Vita Licio, Casino, Cofidis, Credit Agricole, Festina, Cantina Tollo, and Mercatone Uno) were tested. Reassuringly, as expected all riders tested below their hematocrit levels for the prologue and all below the 50 level. Taus, though, queried the UCI testing. “When I saw the results of the checks in Le Puy du Fou got hold of, I did not know what I saw. Almost all of my riders had a higher hematocrit than those in the preceding days had myself measured.”

I tested my riders three times, on the day of the nationals and the Thursday and Friday before the Tour and all the results came back the same, yet then I got word from the UCI of higher levels. A rider with me a week before the Tour had 43%, two days before the prologue 45%, yet the UCI are telling me it is 49%. The UCI say that I use a (testing) device less effective than theirs.”

Three other teams questioned the UCI testing that year. Vita Licio Seguros, US Postal, and Cofidis said they, too, saw abnormalities. Cofidis, of course, would go on to be rocked by doping scandals of their own, US Postal were torn apart by the 2012 USADA report, and Vita Licio Seguros had their own doping problems in 2000 when Alvaro Gonzalez de Galdeano and Jan Hruska both tested positive for steroids.

2000 – 2001 Banesto

For 2000 Taus moved to the Spanish Banesto team. The Spanish team were in the news following the testimony of Thomas Davy, who rode on the team for two years from 1995. “In Banesto, there was a system of doping with medical supervision.” And when asked if everyone did it, “Yes. I think so,” he replied. Among the riders he appeared to accuse was multiple Tour de France Winner Miguel Indurain. Banesto responded “Without proof, no-one may touch Miguel Indurain, he undertook a hundred doping controls throughout his career that showed him to be clean.”

As far back as 1982 the team had problems with doping, Ángel Arroyo becoming the first winner of the Vuelta España to be disqualified in 1982 for failing a doping test.

The controversy of the Davy statement quickly died down, but in early 2001 it all blew up again. At the Giro police launched late-night raids on team hotels. Seven riders on the team, along with doctors and staff, were initially named by police, and in total 51 people would be named by authorities for a wide range of doping offences, including Jesus Hoyas (Team Doctor), Zurbano Galilea (DS), Vicente Iza (Masseur), and riders José Luis Arrieta, Marzio Bruseghin, Pablo Lastras, David Latasa, Jon Odriozola, Unai Osa, and Cesar Solaun. The investigation appeared to vanish. In 2002 CONI received the paperwork from the investigators.. What happened next? (Eventually in 2005 Twelve people were charged with offenses related to the San Remo raids, six of the accused were handed suspended prison sentaces, while six went free as it as adjudged that the offenses they committed did not exist at the time.)

Several of the Banesto team during that time went on to be surrounded by controversy. Francisco Mancebo was linked to the Operación Puerto doping case as were Unai Osa Eizaguirre, Dariusz Baranowski, Adolfo Garcia Quesada, Koldo Gil, Eladio Jiménez, David Latasa, Aitor Osa, Rubén Plaza, and Javier Pascual Rodriguez. Alex Zulle, who had already confessed to taking EPO while at Festina, Leonardo Piepoli who would later join Taus at Saunier Duval, and Eladio Jiménez would test positive for EPO in 2009.

2002 – 2004 Lampre

Raimondas Rumsas struggles with his “I did it clean” face on the 2002 Tour de France Podium

July 28th, and just outside of Lyon, a Lampre-branded camper van is stopped by the police. In it they find suitcases allegedly belonging to Dr. Ibarguren containing corticoids, syringes, and other suspicious products. The French police invited Ibarguren to collect the suitcases and answer some questions, an invitation he declined. When asked, the doctor stated that “no form of doping had been administered at the Lampre team.”

Just a few days previously, Lampre rider Raimondas Rumsas had finished 3rd in the Tour de France. On the final day of the Tour, a car driven by Rumsas’ wife was stopped by police; in it they found corticoids, erythropoietin, testosterone, growth hormones, and anabolic steroids. His wife was jailed for several months, but claimed throughout that the medications were for her mother in law.

In May the following year, still riding for Lampre, Rumsas finished 6th in the Giro d’Italia, but tested positive for EPO and was banned for a year. And in 2006, now retired, both he and his wife received suspended prison sentences for importation of drugs, while Krzysztof Ficek, a Polish doctor at Lampre during 2002 received a one year suspended sentence.

The team suffered two further doping suspensions over those two years. Sergio Barbero was suspended for six months in the April of 2002 following a positive test for EPO the previous year at the Tour of Romandie. And in 2003 Gianluca Bortolami tested positive for cortisone during the Three days of de Panne and was suspended for six months

The stories didn’t stop there. Krzysztof Ficek, a soigneur on the team in 2002, was later given a one year suspended jail sentence for supplying drugs to Rumsas. Alberto Loddo tested positive in 2003 during the Tour of the Algarve for caffeine stimulants. Guido Nigrelli, a doctor on the team, is named in the Maldano investigation; the Ferrara investigation in 2004 concluded that Pavel Tonkov had doped while on the team but no charges were made. Bortalami had just had a positive test at Saunier Duval, but joined the team and was adjudged by the Ferrara report to have doped.

What’s interesting is that in his two years at Lampre, the teams recorded their lowest ranking performances (based on cq rank) in 12 years.

2005 – Euskaltel

For the 2005 season Taus returns to Euskaltel on a three-year contract. Ironically, he replaced Jesus Losa, who was dismissed following his involvement in the doping controversy surround David Millar and the Cofidis team.

At the ripe old age of 28, Inigo Landaluze suddenly wins the Dauphiné after doing nothing throughout his entire career. He tested positive for testosterone, and was suspended, before eventually being cleared later that season. He did nothing else for the rest of his career and was eventually banned in 2009 for CERA.

Aitor Gonzalez tested positive at the Tour of Spain for steroids. Gonzalez blamed it on a contaminated food substance (not steak, it must be pointed out), and the Spanish Federation acquitted him. The UCI then took it to CAS and he was eventually banned from 2005 to 2007.

Interestingly, as with Lampre, the year he spent at Euskaltel proved to be their worst ranking position of the last ten years.

Taus was released from the team at the end of 2005 with two years still remaining on his contract.

2006 – 2009 Saunier Duval

Silliness from Ricco and Piepoli at stage 15 of the 2007 Giro d’Italia to Tre Cime Di Laveredo

You don’t really need to be reminded what went on at Saunier Duval, home of one of the most blatant cases of organised cheating ever seen in the sport. In 2007, youngster Riccardo Ricco won two stages of the Tirreno Adriatico, as well as the points jersey. Ninth in Amstel gold, sixth in Flèche Wallone (in his first ever Ardennes rides). Won a stage of the Giro ahead of teammate Piepoli, and finished sixth overall. And finished second In Lombardia. All at the age of 23. By 2008 Ricco had won another two stages of the Giro, second overall, and the young riders jersey. He then went on to win two stages of the Tour de France before finally testing positive for CERA on 17th July. Ricco originally had tried to dodge doping controls, and as a result the testers decided to test him daily. Ricco, by 2011, had been carted off to hospital after allegedly admitting to botching a home transfusion, an admission he later denied, and in April 2012 was banned for twelve years, putting him out of the sport until he is forty.

Leonardo Piepoli and Cobo on Hautecam in 2008

Meanwhile, teammate Piepoli (who had been on Banesto with Taus back in 2001), was also having a remarkably good couple of years. Eleventh overall in the Giro in 2006, he then followed up with a stage win, three second places, and the mountains jersey in the 2007 edition. In 2008 he won a stage in the Tour, helping Riccardo Ricco win two stages, before finally confessing to EPO usage. Two of his samples from that Tour were later found to be positive for CERA.

And of course Iban Mayo. He, too, won a stage in the 2007 Giro d’Italia. (The team total for that Giro was three stages, three second places, sixth overall and the mountains classification.) He then went to the Tour de France of that year, where he finished 16th before it being announced that he had failed a test for EPO and was subsequently banned.

Note: It would appear that following the 2008 Tour, team manager Giannetti attempted to put a stop to doping on the team. He was losing sponsors and the team was under threat. Recorded conversations (see the Gazzetta transcript later on this page) suggest that Dr. Ibarguren doped the riders for the 2008 Vuelta but kept the products at his home as “Giannetti did not want them.” A year later the relationship between Giannetti and Taus ended.

In 2009 the team was renamed Fuji Servetto, but still controversy continued. Ricardo Serrano was suspended in July of that year after testing positive for CERA, at the same time it was announced that Euskaltel rider Inigo Landaluze had also been found positive for the same drug. Interestingly, also on that team in 2009 was the now-retired Daniel Nardello. Nardello famously being one of the trio – including Armstrong and Pozzato – that allegedly threw abuse at Filippo Simeoni.

In October of 2009, Fernandez De La Puebla became fifth rider on the team to fail a test when he tested positive for EPO after being targeted for having abnormal biological passport readings. Others investigated include Koldo Gil (Formerly at Banesto – Puerto), Manuele Mori (Mantova), Francisco Ventoso (tested positive in 2008 after leaving Saunier Duval), Carlos Zarate (Puerto), and Ruben Lobato Elvira (Bio Passport Irregularities in 2010). Sometime during 2009 (date uncertain) Taus left the team.

Something changed at Saunier Duval. At his previous teams they under-performed, and in fact had their worst years in recent history. And yet at Saunier Duval we saw a sharp rise, before the incredible decline in 2008 and 2009, as their riders tested positive.

2010 – 2012 Omega Pharma Lotto/Omega Pharma Quickstep

And so to the present day. And in 2011 we saw him at Lotto, where they recorded their best year in recent history by a dramatic amount. Phillipe Gilbert dominated all year, winning Stages in the Algarve, Tirreno Adriatico, Eneco Tour, and the Tour de France, and won Strade Bianche, Brabantse Pijl, Amstel Gold, Flèche Wallone, Liège-Bastogne-Liège, Tour of Belgium, Ster ZLM Toer, Belgian road and time trial championships, San Sebastian, GP Quebec, and GP de Wallonie (before his form somehow vanished in 2012). Jelle Vanendert wore the polka dot jersey in the Tour and climbed like a mountain goat, before forgetting how to climb in 2012.

And then to 2012, where at Quickstep we see them dominate the spring races totally. Winning overall in San Luis, Qatar, Oman, 3 days of West Flanders, and 3 Days of De Panne, before making the Northern Classics look easy with wins in Nokere Koerse (Chichhi), Handzame Classic (Chicchi), Dwars door Vlaandered (Terpstra), E3 Prisj, Gent Wevelgem, Tour of Flanders and Paris Roubaix (Boonen). Nine national championships followed in the summer, before their season finally slowed down.

“by hiring the services of the Spaniard, Boonen and his team have set the cat among the pigeons”

Arguments raged on Twitter about this. Is this a direct accusation of doping at Quickstep? No, the jury is honestly out, but by hiring a doctor who has such a history, there is always going to be suspicion. Ouest France reported today “by hiring the services of the Spaniard, Boonen and his team have set the cat among the pigeons. Speciality of the house” while earlier in April LavoixdesSport simply said “More than a return, a resurrection!”

Big questions have to be raised about the wisdom of hiring Dr. Jose Ibarguren Taus.

Is this a doctor that is, as he has claimed all along, not doping his riders? Is he right when he says there was no doping at Lampre, or at Lotto? Was the Banesto team of Mancebo, Piepoli, and Zuelle clean? Did he have nothing to do with the doping at Saunier Duval? Was the performance of Lotto in 2011 just down to hard work? And if he is truthful, how is it that an experienced doctor, who by his own admission tested his riders regularly, who had advanced blood-testing equipment, was unable to detect that Rumsas, Barbero, Bortolami, Landaluze, Gonzalez, Ricco, Piepoli, Mayo, and Serrano were all doping? A doctor who by his own admission keeps receipts of all medicines he buys and religiously ensures that he only gives riders what they are allowed, has been stopped by police on multiple occasions and doping products found in his possession…


Lotto - Mobistar 1999 1999 Doctor
Banesto 2000 2000 Doctor
Lampre - Daikin 2002 2002 Doctor
Lampre I 2003 2004 Doctor
Euskaltel - Euskadi 2005 2005 Doctor
Saunier Duval Prodir 2006 2007 Doctor
Saunier Duval Scott 2008 2008 Doctor
Fuji - Servetto 2009 2009 Doctor
Omega Pharma - Lotto 2011 2011 Doctor
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Gebruikersavatar Kiekeboe 29 mar 2018 14:10

timo2.0 schreef: 29 mar 2018 12:01
Kiekeboe schreef: 29 mar 2018 07:38
timo2.0 schreef: 28 mar 2018 18:20 Ibarguren is duidelijk weer de te kloppen man dit voorjaar :winkthumb:
wat "gebruiken-krijgen" die renners dan van QST?
Dat zullen we over tien jaar wel weer horen. Feit blijft dat een arts die al bijna twintig jaar opduikt in dopingzaken niets te zoeken heeft in het profpeloton en dat ik zijn huidige werkgever Quickstep geen moment het voordeel van de twijfel geef.
Is inderdaad wel beetje vreemd dat een ploeg, de dag van vandaag, nog zo een fel besproken individu in dienst wil nemen.

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Gebruikersavatar daniel1975 01 apr 2018 14:45

Dus op 100km voor de finish is er een valpartij em QS geeft VOL gas. Past wel bij ze, prutsers.
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Gebruikersavatar EmPeHa 01 apr 2018 14:55

daniel1975 schreef: 01 apr 2018 14:45 Dus op 100km voor de finish is er een valpartij em QS geeft VOL gas. Past wel bij ze, prutsers.
Je wilt de groep ervoor ook niet uit laten lopen. Als je erbij ligt, ben je sowieso gezien, of zie je Naesen nog aan de finale deelnemen? Dat zou heel straf zijn.

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Gebruikersavatar daniel1975 01 apr 2018 15:01

Dit was geen controleren van de kopgroep maar vol aanzetten.

Maar goed, ik weet sowiso niet goed waarom ik kijk. QS mag van mij verliezen, sorry Dylan maar Sky wil ik al helemaal niet zien. Moet nog even wennen aan het idee dat je er maar niet over na moet denken en denken dat je Netflix zit te kijken.
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Gebruikersavatar daniel1975 01 apr 2018 15:29

1-2 voor Boels.
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Gebruikersavatar EmPeHa 01 apr 2018 15:31

Ik zat er ook vreemd naar te kijken naar bevoorrading in de laatste kilometers. Wie weet hoe dit zit?

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