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gerardridley 17 nov 2004 22:04

Zijn er ook artikelen geschreven oid waar de kwaliteit van de Bianchi frames wordt omschreven? Maatje overweegt de Luna maar na het lezen van deze berichten kan hij met zijn 92 kilo daar beter niet aanbeginnen.

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bianchi_euro 17 nov 2004 22:56

(Ha mijn gebeden zijn verhoord die f**king quotes zijn uitgezet. Zie je wel ergens daar boven is er iemand die naar mij luisterd).
Hallo,
Stug verhaal van die gebroken Bianchi's. Een keer meegemaakt dat op de Galibier een bidonhouder uitbrak in de afdaling (alu frame).
Ik weet niet wat die ROGER weegt, maar als die ook 92kg weegt dan snap ik wel waarom zijn XL gebroken is. De XL is alleen voor fietsers onder de 80kg gemaakt. Waarom dat nergens vermeld staat?..... Tja, wel erg vreemd hé?!! 
Met de Bianchi alu frames is het een bekend feit dat wanneer de buis-voorderrailleur  te hard wordt aangezet (>3.5Nm) je de buis letterlijk en figuurlijk wurgt.
Staan die foto's op internet? Kun je misschien een link geven? Eerlijk gezegd moet ik het zien om het te kunnen geloven.
Ciao, B.
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Van Roadbikereview:
Reviewed by:  color=#0000ffonan, Road Racer
Price Paid: $0
Bike Setup:Record group
Summary:Well I had a Bianchi and the cunting think broke just outside the guarantee period. They refused to even look at it although three fractures in the downtube and two behind the bracket waould seem to suggest a defect. Failure rate of their frames in Europe is woeful: 70 in some models.
Strengths:Looked nice
Weaknesses:Cataclismically poor construction and galactically pathetic after-sales service.
Similar Products Used:Frame which did not break: Raleigh, Pinarello, Giant, Hand made etc.
Reviewed by: Ted Steel, Road Racer, from Washington, D.C. USA
Price Paid: $1000 at Spokes, Etc.
Bike Setup:Ultegra
Summary:This is my second EV2 in less than 18 months. It rides great when it is new, but they seem to be quite disposable. My first one broke cleanly at the seattube-bb sheel after 3000 miles. My second one has broken at the chainstay, also after 3,000 miles.
Strengths:Rides great when not broken.
Weaknesses:Warranty response is slow from East Coast. The distributor is in California. Bike breaks easily compared to my last bike which lasted 15 years and was then sold intact on eBay.
Similar Products Used:Jiffy Lube - it also only lasts 3,000 miles.
Reviewed by: B K, Recreational Rider, from San Diego
Price Paid: $1100 at LBS
Favorite Ride:Death Valley to Mt. Whitney race
Bike Setup:Record 10
Summary:I enjoyed the frame - while it lasted. I'm 5' 10" and race at 155 lbs. After 8 months of use (and about 7K miles) the downtube developed a crack on the underside that was about 10" long. The crack was at about the midpoint of the downtube - between the butted areas. When I would warm up on the trainer at races I was amazed at the amount of flex in the frame in the bottom bracket area. So to the fella below who weighs 195 lbs., I'd be checking that frame regularly if I were you.
Strengths:A very good jack of all trades frame. Not particularly outstanding at any one thing, but very good at most. Comfortable ride for an aluminum frame.
Weaknesses:Durability
Similar Products Used:Specialized Allez (aluminum), Bianchi XL Boron
Reviewed by:  color=#0000ffonan, Road Racer
Price Paid: $3000 at A shop
Favorite Ride:Giant
Bike Setup:Chorus and Record
Summary:Well I had a Bianchi which broke just outside of the guarantee period. Those mental midgets, who laughingly refer to themselves as Customer Service, refused to pay anything towards its replacement even though it cost €2700. Do not buy any Bianchi products: their frame failure rate is appalling
Strengths:Looked nice
Weaknesses:The fornicating construction: three fractures in the down tube and two behind the bracket.
Similar Products Used:Frames which did not break and one which did outside a guarantee period but was still refunded by the manufacturer. Pinarello, Giant, Handmade frames, Orbit, Raleigh
Reviewed by: Nathan Dauglash, Road Racer, from Los Angeles, CA
Price Paid: $1100 at Budget Bikes
Bike Setup:rolf vector pro, record 10, itm big one stem, deda handle bar
Summary:had a great time on the bike. rode very comfy compared to my cannondale. i miss the bike but did not want the EV2 replacement 2000 or 2001 model w/ foam injected bottom bracket, etc... currently have the XL Titanium 2001 frame. look for my review.
Strengths:was very happy with how light and responsive it was. all your energy is put straight to the road. great on turns and decents. Geometry was great.
Weaknesses:broke the frame during a field sprint. bike was never crashed or neglected. seat tube snaped off of the bottom bracket. i then heard how other ev2 aluminum frames had broke.
Similar Products Used:Cannondale 1988 crit series
Fragility of frame especially the downtube (feels like a beercan).
Foto's volgen in de volgende post.
‘Whatever you do, those other fuckers are doing more.’
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Maybe the 2004 alloy frames are better but asked my dealer today about Bianchi (he used to be dealer). He told me of 30 sold frames in 2002/2003 12 broke and had to be returned for guarantee (which by lasted ages). He told me the carbon wasn't that bad but at that weight there are better alu frames and the biggest problem was the rediculous long seedstays, frame is good for straight roads/slow touring but is unsuitable for fast cornering. With the current dealership of brands like Trek/Scott and Kuota he is more happy (and so are his customers).



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If I was you i'd stay away from Bianchi. I work at a bike shop and I've seen too many cracked frames from Bianchi. They look absolutely great but they are just too fragile._________________



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Hi guys, here in Brasil ( at least ) all the bianchi's products sucks, my friends broken five ev2, one SL alloy, and I broke my M-alloy a month ago, and the warranty simple doesn't exist, I bougth my bike one year ago ( +- 5000 miles ), so the warranty must replace the frame because the warranty was for tree years, my friend broke his ev2 and wait one year to get the warranty . . . PS: here in Brasil a ev2 frame and fork cost U$ 1400, and a m-alloy ( now ML3 ) costs U$ 1000, it's a very expensive bike for the benefits, so I will go to a litespeed and that bianchi frame goes to the garbage can . . . sorry for the bad english . . . tank you friends SperuffoIk weet het nog geen foto's, daar moet ik ff wat langer voor zoeken. Maar de meeste zijn wel genezen voor Bianchi's na dit rijtje.
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R.I.P. Bianchi

 

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wibo 18 nov 2004 00:44

Krijgen we ook zo'n opsomming van andere merken?
Maakt RIH misschien nog echte racefietsen?
 
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Mijn teerbeminde rijdt al weer drie maanden met stevige pedaalslag en naar haar volle (onze) tevredenheid rond op een Orbea Comp Vitesse. Als dat maar goed gaat ...
 

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bert 18 nov 2004 11:01

Quoten: Origineel geplaatst door Amclassic-fan op 17 November 2004


Ik weet het nog geen foto's, daar moet ik ff wat langer voor zoeken. Maar de meeste zijn wel genezen voor Bianchi's na dit rijtje.
 
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Precies, wie heeft er nou nog een voorkeur voor Bianchi??
Er wordt niet veel rommel meer verkocht tegenwoordig, maar Bianchi bakt ze wel bruin hoor, sjonge jonge.
Bianchi? Bi krakki !!
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Het is natuurlijk niet alleen Bianchi. Ik heb ook wel eens verhalen gehoord over brekende Giant compact frames, brekende Koga's en bijbehorende slechte garantieafwikkeling. Wie zoekt zal vinden. Maar als er een dealer is die 12 van de 30 verkochte frames binnen de garantieperiode terugkrijgt in gebroken staat, dan is er toch wel meer aan de hand. Misschien maakt Bianchi vooral frames voor Mediterranen van hoogstens 60 kg. Dat is natuurlijk prima, maar dat moeten ze er dan wel bij zeggen. Overigens komen Bianchi's altijd behoorlijk slap uit de testen, ze noemen het altijd klimfietsen. Dus zo gek is het nu ook weer niet.
 

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billygoats 18 nov 2004 12:36

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Bij Salden kan je het frame bestellen voor €1450
Scheelt dus heel veel in vergelijking met de €2000 die andere er voor vragen
Gr Jan(die hem ook zeer mooi vind)

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bert 18 nov 2004 13:00

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<CRIPT language=javascript>postamble(); Bij Salden kan je het frame bestellen voor €1450
Scheelt dus heel veel in vergelijking met de €2000 die andere er voor vragen
Gr Jan(die hem ook zeer mooi vind)


De XL carbon bij Salden. Hij is wel goedkoper ja, hou je meteen geld over voor een paar tubes lijm. Trouwens, lijmen zal niet zo goed houden bij een frame. Hoewel, misschien wel net zo goed / slecht als de originele fabrigage. De nieuwe XL carbon gaat trouwens XB carbon heten, Xtra Breekbaar.
Er zijn een paar forum collega's die bianchi in hun nickname hebben, ik zou meteen
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timowr 18 nov 2004 13:37

Quoten: Origineel geplaatst door Bert op 18 November 2004

Precies, wie heeft er nou nog een voorkeur voor Bianchi??
Er wordt niet veel rommel meer verkocht tegenwoordig, maar Bianchi bakt ze wel bruin hoor, sjonge jonge.
Bianchi? Bi krakki !!



Wat een geklets. Als je een merk wil afkraken dan kun je over willekeurig welke fabrikant zulke verhalen vinden. Bianchi verkoopt ieder jaar duizenden fietsen dus die paar pechgevallen zijn geen reden om aan de betrouwbaarheid van het merk te twijfelen. De opmerking "er wordt niet veel rommel verkocht tegenwoordig" is al helemaal flauwekul want de problemen nemen juist steeds meer toe door de dwangmatige zoektocht naar steeds lichtere frames en materialen.
 
Toen de Spinergy Rev-X wielen "hot" waren kwam er ook een website vol horrorverhalen over brekende wielen met alle gruwelijke valpartijen die dit tot gevolg had. Terwijl ondertussen honderden profs en duizenden amateurs en liefhebbers ze gebruikten o.a. voor cyclocross en er was geen structureel probleem.

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timowr 18 nov 2004 14:02

Van dezelfde website. Je ziet dat je stemmingmakerij simpel een kwestie van selectief kiezen is. Van dezelfde website kun je reviews halen die een heel ander beeld schetsen van Bianchi...
Reviewed by:  Domenico Bianchi, Road Racer
Price Paid: $0
Favorite Ride:LAkeside, mountains
Bike Setup:Bianchi xl ev 2, Mavic helium, Itm Millenium, Selle San MArco, Conti force /attac, look pedals, shimano dura ace
Summary:A great bike! I had never any problems with it. The feeling having it in one`s hands is unbelievable! It is the Ferrari of all the roadbikes.The quality isvery good, although the texture is a little to vulnerable. My bianchi wighs only 8.0 kilos, with speedplays even less. I ride it with shimanos dura ace, Itm Millenium and look pedals and mavic helium. The forc is out of carbon. I took it to the Swiss mountains and had no problems... If Michael Schumacher would ride a bike, he would ride this one!
Strengths:-great feeling -frame is very strong but also very stiff -looks great -very light -all the expereince of bianchi!
Weaknesses:the finish is a little to smooth expensive
Similar Products Used:Pinarello dogma
 
Reviewed by:  Bloatedpig, Recreational Rider
Price Paid: $1300 at Ebay
Favorite Ride:Bianchi XL EV2
Summary:The best road bike I've used. Stable and precise steering and quick as a cat on the ascents. No problems with cracking on the frame at all, and the roads suck big-time here in Western PA. The bike is stunning to look at as well. Beautiful paint scheme and a very durable paint job as well. The Campy Chorus/Record Mix is the best of both worlds. I replaced the stock 11-23 cassette with a 12-25 for the hilly terrain around here and the Titanium Bianchi seat post was replaced with a Titanium Chourus model which offers better adjustments. I also replaced the Pirate seat (Ugly at best), with a San Marco Regal. The Levitation wheels have stayed trued and have not given me a bit of trouble, especially given the horrible road conditions around here. This bike was designed to be fast and agile......it accomplishes both with great style.
Strengths:Build...Color scheme...Durable finish...component selection...Lightness on the climbs
Weaknesses:$3,500.00 new......Yikes!....No bike is worth that much.
Similar Products Used:Colnago Dream, Raleigh Professional
 
Reviewed by: Steven Crane, Road Racer, from Queens, N.Y. U.S.A
Price Paid: $4000 at Bicycle Planet
Favorite Ride:Lake George NY
Bike Setup:Dura Ace,Ksyrium SSC Rims,Easton EC 90 Handle Bar,Reynolds Ouzo Pro Fork.
Summary:I enjoy riding this bike very much. It gets me going with the group and finishing the exciting ride in no time.
Strengths:Rides well on hills, has a Stiff Frame, obsorbs vibration on roads. No wonder Jan Ullrich took second place on the 2003 Tour De France in sixty one seconds.
Weaknesses:It rides too fast and I'm not able to enjoy the scenary.(just kidding)
Similar Products Used:Steel Colombus Bianchi Bikes.
Reviewed by: Bonker, Recreational Rider, from Limoux, France
Price Paid: $5500 at lbs
Favorite Ride:Gorge de Galamus
Bike Setup:EV2 Frame w/ full Record including Record carbon cranks and carbon post. Ksyrium SL wheels, Mich Pro Race tires, Time Impact pedals, Flite trans am saddle, Deda Newton bar and stem.
Summary:Awesome bike. Rocket fast climbing, acceleration, and handling, stable descending, smooth over bumpy roads. Gets lots of compliments on the looks.
Strengths:Performance. Looks.
Weaknesses:Stock Bianchi carbon cranks and rings a bit flimsy. Stock Levitation wheels a bit heavy. Can't install a Campy headset on this bike. Il Pirate seat a bit gaudy.
Similar Products Used:Pinarello Paris, Argon18 Krypton, Merckx Ti.
 
Reviewed by: timmy , Road Racer
Price Paid: $125 at Target
Favorite Ride:Huffy BMX
Bike Setup:Stock
Summary:This bike is quite sexual. Italian everything! – This bike is quality! We brought it back to Melbourne from the Bianchi factory in Italy. This is the first time I have used any Campag componentry and I was impressed. My other bike is a 2001 Giant TCR1 and it takes some time to get used to the shifters compared to the Ultegra Sti levers. Too sum it up - perfect.
Strengths:Everything
Weaknesses:None yet.
Similar Products Used:Pinarello Prince
 
Reviewed by: budrichard, Road Racer
Price Paid: $2000 at Yelow Jersey, Madiso
Favorite Ride:25 mile loop
Bike Setup:2002 Boron XL stock with 10sp Centaur and Bianchi Wheel set and 10spd ErgoBrain.
Summary:The best road bike I have ever ridden, my Peugeot Super Comp and Guerchiotti Campy Super Record stay in the house.
Strengths:Fast, stable at high speed and with the ErgoBrain, your hands never leave the brake/shifters. Can shift up and down while climbing.
Weaknesses:NNE except it is only avaialble in odd cm and no custom frames from Bianchi USA.
 
Reviewed by: windinyourhair, Road Racer
Price Paid: $0 at From the U.K
Favorite Ride:Various
Bike Setup:2004 Campagnolo Record, ITM Millenium handlebars and stem.
Summary:This review is of a 2004 Bianchi XL AL EV3. The frame was a warranty replacement for my EV2. Quite simply, the EV3 is awesome!!! It is more comfortable than the EV2, in that it is able to absorb bumps much more easily, and yet at the same time is much stiffer. You can feel that the energy you expend is being transferred into forward motion, and not lost through frame flex. Some well known frames are stiff and don't absorb road shocks any where near as well as the Bianchi does. That is what I call being properly engineered. Because the EV3 has sloping geometry, a 55cm like mine has an actual seat tube measurment of 52cm. It looks modern, and it corners and decends as if it were on rails. I kid you not!!! The full carbon one piece forks are quite simply the best you will find anywhere. They are made from high modulus carbon fibre, are very stiff and very comfortable. When the steerer is cut down, they have a mass of around 360 grams! I love my Bianchi!!
Strengths:Lightweight, stiff, ability to absorb road shocks, excellent cornering and decending.

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